Vom Haus Dettmer Long Coat German Shepherds

 

Vom Haus Dettmer's FAQ

 

Vom Haus Dettmer Frequently Asked Questions
 

What are your Long Coat German Shepherd puppy prices?

             Our Long Coat puppy prices range from $1300 to $1800.  This depends on the litter whelped, the parents / heritage, breeding, etc.

 Less than 1 % of Vom Haus Dettmer Long Coated German Shepherds are sold for breeding purposes.  Most all our puppies are sold as Companion Dogs to family homes with limited or non-breeding restrictions.   

We only sell breeding pups / dogs to established breeders we know AND respect. 

 We sometimes have rescues just looking for good homes from time-time. 

 I take pride in keeping my puppy prices reasonable.  I sell most all my German Shepherd pups to family environments or people who just want companion dogs, non-showing, non-sporting canine friends.

I’d rather place my dogs with families that just want wonderful pets, who will love and cherish them in forever homes than in homes where money is not an option and things are disposable, or breeding for profit is the only concern. 

I make money to support MY love of MY Long Coat German Shepherds, to share this wonderful breed with others, and the donations that I give to St Jude and the Make A Wish Foundation.  

I don’t breed Long Haired German Shepherds to ‘survive’, ‘pay bills’, or as my ‘income’. 
 

 


What minimum things can I be expected (required) to do as a client of yours purchasing a Long Coated German Shepherd?

            Pay a deposit.  Sign a contract.

Pay for your puppy by 6 weeks of age, in full.

Be a responsible pet owner.

Take your dog to the vet; provide ongoing vet care, immunizations, as applicable.

Fenced enclosure/yard.

Proper food/nutrition/supplements.

Exercise, but not overextended exercise or activities.

            Attend a min. of one training class.

            Socialize your puppy/dog.

            Spay or neuter your dog.

            Send pictures of your dog and keep VHD updated on his/her progress.



Can I name my puppy?

          Vom Haus Dettmer registers ALL puppies in the kennel name.  If you have a deposit in, you can elect to pick a 'call name' .  However, ALL puppies will be registered with VHD in their name.  We are proud of our 'haus' and hope you are too!  Plus, we use this as a tracking mechanism to watch what dogs obtain titles, health certifications, future breedings, etc.



Can we pick our Long Coat German Shepherd puppy?

             Vom Haus Dettmer allows the client to provide input to the selection process in choosing their puppy; however, VHD has the final say as to what puppy is placed in what home.  When the selection process begins, the client can decide the puppy they like based on the puppies available that ‘fit their criteria’ based on the needs and temperament they provided Vom Haus Dettmer at the time they were allowed to reserve a puppy.  If only one puppy ‘fits’ their needs and environment, Vom Haus Dettmer will work with them on their choice selection.  If this puppy is not to their liking, they can either move to another litter or forfeit their deposit.  Vom Haus Dettmer best knows the temperaments of the puppies for the first 6 weeks of their life.  Picking a puppy based on a picture or looks at 6 weeks of age is not the best ‘fit’ for any puppy or client.  Puppies are all cute but that don’t make them the best ‘companion’ for the home they will live the remainder of their life.  Vom Haus Dettmer will not just place a puppy to place a puppy.  And, at our haus, we don’t place puppies by pictures alone!

  


Do you accept Paypal or credit cards?

             No.

            Postal Money Orders only or cash.  Puppies must be paid in full by 6 weeks of age, NO exceptions.  Don't even ask!  If your money is not here, as requested, in the form indicated, you will forfeit your puppy - and your deposit!


Do you ship your Long Coated puppies?

             Yes!  We ship puppies within the Continental US.   

 



How often do you have Long Haired German Shepherd pups available?

             TWO litters a year! 

We pride ourselves on being a small, hobby breeder.  We whelp each and every litter INSIDE OUR OWN HOME. 

 Our puppies are not pictured on our site from other breeding homes, but OUR very own puppies. 

             My dogs are NOT bred EVERY heat cycle, REGARDLESS, of how well they recover from a prior whelping.  And NEVER before the age of two and tests completed!  

We have our ‘family’ of dogs whom we are committed to; our first priority! 

This is VERY important to our breeding program, the socialization and time that are necessary to each and every puppy in the litter, and our adult dog’s health and well-being.  It’s also crucial to the Long Hair German Shepherd breed. 

 We also know there are a few other very wonderful Long Coat and short coat (or standard) German Shepherd breeders to whom we can refer our clients to when we don’t have puppies. 
 


 
How are your Long Coat German Shepherd Parents registered?

             I am a member in good standing with the American Kennel Club and have been for many, many years, as well as the United Kennel Club.

            I have dogs registered in the following clubs…

            AKC, ASVD, LSVD, SV, UKC.

           We are VERY proud of all registries! 

 Some of our dogs are multi-registered, both in the states and in German clubs such as the SV, ASVD and LSVD, some which are ‘TRUE’ Long Coat Founded German Shepherd Dog Clubs. 

 Some of our dogs Long Haired German Shepherds are registered in the United Kennel Club that also recognizes ‘rare’ breeds, as where many ‘specialty’ breeds are registered.  This fabulous club has been around since 1898 and is the largest all-breed performance-dog registry in the world.  It registers dogs in all 50 states and 25 foreign countries today.  It was founded on the concept of ‘Total’ dog, where as the dog’s intelligence and working ability was as important in the ring, whereas the AKC was founded and operates on the concept of ‘standard’ or ‘Conformation’, hence ‘looks’.  The UKC was the innovator of the DNA tool, followed after by the AKC.  

 Both registries (AKC and UKC) are very well known and respected by most reputable breeders for various reasons.  You will find many VERY reputable breeders will have dogs registered in both clubs due to different sports, breeding and showing, and in instances of rare breeds and whites that might have their own clubs, but are not allowed in the AKC club.   

           Both the AKC and UKC provide registration where you can compete your dog that is not club descent; are born of other clubs or foreign registries; or of mixed breed or non-registered clubs for competition; by providing appropriate documentation.

Some of our dogs that are UKC registered are not AKC registered since the AKC will not recognize German Shepherd imports from ‘TRUE’ long coat founded German Shepherd clubs from foreign countries.

    See the AKC here…http://www.akc.org/

    See the UKC here…http://www.ukcdogs.com/About.htm.     

There too are many WONDERFUL dogs found in shelters each day, rescued from puppy mills that spin the lives of families AND come without registrations!       


  
Do you OFA your German Shepherds?

             Yes. 

 We believe that any “reputable” breeder should OFA certify their parents (at a minimum) of 2 years of age.  Not just rely on “well, it came from good parents”.  You can obtain an OFA prelim after 6 months of age, as well.  But this too is not certified, but reliable most times.  Some do Penn Hip, another form of x-ray process for hips growing in popularity.  Vet checks are common, but this is not the same as an official reading, with certification by an accredited organization like the OFA or PennHip.   These results are certified and also recorded.   

 Nothing is 100%, but reputable breeders WILL go the extra mile, spend the extra money, do all they can to identify a problem in a line by appropriate testing – trying to make a difference!  



Do you have any guarantees on your Long Coated dogs?

             Yes!     We have several, depending on the pups or dog sold. 

             We offer a life-time guarantee for return on all our long hair german shepherd puppies sold.  For whatever the reason, you can return your dog.  This is not always a cash back return, but if for any reason you can not longer keep your dog, you can return it.  And, we require it prior to sending it to a shelter!  No Vom Haus Dettmer Long Coat puppy is ever ‘unwanted’ or should end up in a shelter or rescue club! 

            We offer multiple levels of cash back for training. 

          We offer a $50 cash back for spay / neuter thru one year of age.  We require that you spay / neuter your pup at one year of age, waiting as long as you can until one year.  Science is proving that altering a dog before one year causes greater forms of health risks, including cancer.  Some are suggesting up to 16 months before doing such.

          We offer different levels of health guarantee to those clients based on what they purchase (puppy, adult, rescue) who uphold their end of our contract (s) in properly caring for / raising their companion. 

A standard puppy contract provides warranty against genetic defects and hips for two years of age.  Although, we do not include elbows.  Often times, research proves that an elbow issue is due to environmental factors such as diet, exercise and/or injury.  An elbow defect is difficult to determine from genetics vs. injury, or environmental factors.  We only breed with certified OFA elbows, hoping to reduce genetic issues from breedings. 

Our contracts are ONLY warranted when the buyer 'proves' satisfactory feeding, raising, training, housing, exercise, altering and other specific conditions met!!  NO EXCEPTIONS!

  We pride ourselves in our commitment in satisfaction to our clients. 

 We uphold our side of our commitment to raising sound, healthy dogs.  Although, no matter how well you choose your breeding pairs, we know nothing is 100%. 

 We stand behind our commitment to ensuring our clients are happy and our dogs tested prior to breeding, good heritage and hopefully, without genetic defects.  That requires a level of client responsibility in care, as well! 

 If a problem should arise, we work to fix it.   If this warrants a level of refund, then that’s what we provide at the discretion of Vom Haus Dettmer!  No verbal warranties otherwise indicated, intended or implied honored!  A contract will be provided at the time of deposit!
 



Do you microchip your Long Haired German Shepherd puppies?

             Yes! 

  



Are any of your dogs Long Coats DNA tested?

             Yes! 

 


 

Why do you restrict breeding on your Long Coat German Shepherds?

             Although our dogs are all registered in one club or another, we don’t feel ALL puppies or dogs of Vom Haus Dettmer, or this breed are of breeding quality. 

            Most dogs should NOT be bred and not all people should be breeders!  Some folks will breed ANY dog thinking they will make money.  This is not the case either. 

            It takes a LONG time to establish a good breeding program and the expertise to carry it out.  Good breeders research many dogs before they find good breeding pairs.  A good breeder will also establish a good breeding program with goals in mind.   They will watch their dogs develop, watch their progeny grow as well as the lines in the heritage.  Should they see something they don’t like or a true issue, the dogs will be taken immediately out of breeding.  This is not always the case with puppy mill breeders!  They JUST breed for two things, puppies and money!  Sometimes size and color!  But, with no thought to health or longevity of the breed.  We don’t breed this way! 

 We work very hard to establish our Long Haired German Shepherds at Vom Haus Dettmer and it only takes one breeding by a careless breeder to mess it up.  Therefore, we simply ‘prefer’ to not sell our dogs with breeding rights.  Simple as that! 

 It has nothing to do with competition, or taking away money from our pockets (we’re not breeding for that anyway), it’s just that not all dogs should be bred, not all people should be breeders and we don’t want someone to mess up what we try so hard to perfect! 

 We also know it’s a ‘job’ that most people rarely stay in long, even if they ‘attempt’ to take a shot at it for a year or two.  Most will find it’s not a job for them then quit and let the dogs go possibly to a shelter or puppy mill, just to get them off their hands. 

If you don’t have the means to financially support your older dogs AND your new interests, finding an older dog a home can be a challenge.  Many will just ‘dump it’ first chance they get.  Sometimes into new breeding homes, shelters or to whomever they can!  If the dog can still make them a ‘buck’, that will be their first choice.    

 Another thing you will hear is that ‘whelping’ is “wonderful experience for the family to enjoy”.  That’s one of the most ridiculous gimmicks most often used.  Just check out Leerburg – dvd on whelping puppies… http://www.leerburg.com/118.htm.  This might change your mind!

 Here is another excerpt from the internet from state law research…

 “The urbanization of America and consequent overcrowding and overpopulation of pets has led to a series of pet-related problems. Indiscriminant breeding by puppy mills and backyard breeders, who think their children "should experience birth," or who want a little extra money, or who believe a neutered animal will be unhappy and overweight, has led to a situation where it is estimated by the American Humane Association that between 8 to 14 million dogs and cats are euthanized in shelters and pounds every year”. 

 If you want to read about puppy mills, laws regarding breeding, shelters, etc., subscribe to different news letters. 

 Look at…

 Best Friends Animal Sanctuary           http://www.bestfriends.org/

American Dog Owners Association      http://www.adoa.org/index.cfm

 

WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO SELLING TO ESTABLISHED, REPUTABLE BREEDERS!    



How soon should I spay or neuter my Long Coated German Shepherd Puppy?

             We suggest not before one year of age, if at all possible.

  



Does the Long Haired German Shepherd breed shed?

             Yes! 

            And, if anyone tells you otherwise, they are not selling this breed or are just trying to sell you a dog.

The Long Coat German Shepherd tends to ‘blow’ tufts of soft fluffy fur on occasion vs. a stiff, prickly, single hair like that of the short coat.  They do blow their coats a couple times a year very large, then only a smaller shedding through out the year.  If you keep them groomed a couple times a week, the shedding is minimal.


Do you have a Foster Program or offer free Long Haired German Shepherd breeding dogs or puppies?

             No.  Unless, you are looking to ‘take in’ an abandoned or abused puppy or dog, provide for it food, shelter, love, training and medical care and then rehome it.  Maybe, even keep it after rehabilitation!  Otherwise, if you are seeking a “free-for-breeding” dog, we don’t have an established program like that at our Haus.

                    We love our puppies and enjoy whelping them.  This way, I don't have to worry about anyone else reaching my expectations for how a litter should be handled.  If I can't see it, I don't know 100% how to sell it!  Simple as that!

 We choose to raise our own pups and do our own business. 

 We feel we can honestly say we know best how our pups are raised in our own lines. 

 We don't feel we can guarantee something we don’t raise.  Simple as that. 

We have co-owned dogs in the past with other reputable breeders and that has worked quite well.  That is always an option. 

Sometimes, I have dogs that are rescued or drop-offs, etc, that I try to ‘rehome’ that might be free or of a reduced rate.

 We know of one or two very REPUTABLE breeders who have wonderful FOSTER programs that we would recommend.  They have well run, written programs, and the dogs are REALLY ‘fostered’.   

BREEDING, HOWEVER, IS NOT CHEAP!!   



How are your Long Hair German Shepherd puppies raised
?

             My Long Coat German Shepherd puppies are whelped inside my home, with much love and daily attention.

            The pups are socialized to outdoors, indoors, new sights, sounds, baths, nail clippings, kids, other dogs, people, and just about anything 'reasonable' at a young age, thru 8 weeks.  Since the first several weeks they are very vunerable to many things, just trying to get their bodies to developed, there is not a TON you can do 'realistically' for a tiny puppy under 8 weeks of age! 

We do raise our Long Coat German Shepherd pups with kindness, care, good nutrition and TONS of attention!  We get them started 'right' so you can take over the rest! 

 




Are you a ‘certified’ dog trainer?

             NO!

             I have is a ‘hands on’ number of YEARS in the dog training ring. 

 I’ve been a dog handler, at the end of a leash since I’ve been old enough to walk.  For a number of breeds, so many I can’t name them all! 

 EXPERIENCE handling dogs means more to ME than a piece of paper.   

 I have titles on my dogs to the level that I ‘choose’ to achieve.  Although, I have dogs with the ability to achieve higher, I don’t have the time to seek these levels.  My family reminds me that I have another life outside my dogs. 

 Currently, some of my dogs have Canine Good Citizen titles.

 You can see my pictures on the site of my dogs in training, or you are welcome to come watch me anytime!  ANYONE that has seen my dogs in the ring or have been to my home can attest to it!  

             I DO train, certified or not, and love every min. of it. 

 I learn new things and it keeps me and my dogs at a higher level.   

People who train their dogs develop a deeper bond with their dogs.  If you truly care about your dog, what more can you ask for??    

 I certainly don’t claim to know much, but I do know that I strive to do my best in handling my own Long Coat German Shepherds!  That’s most important to me!

 ALL VHD dogs are required to attend ‘obedience’ training, including my own! 

I practice what I ‘demand’ of my own clients.  Only fair, would you not think???

 


Why do you require a $300 non-refundable deposit?

            Deposits are a commitment from a responsible client to purchase a puppy. 

            Putting down a deposit tells me you are serious about buying a puppy, and also puts another client out of the opportunity for buying a puppy they might want, or on to a future litter. 

 We have found that some folks will call around many breeders wanting to be added to a ‘list’ and then take the first opportunity at a puppy that becomes available, if a deposit is not required.  This is time consuming for the breeder as well as a great loss for other folks who might have really wanted into that litter but held off and put a deposit onto a future litter. 

             Vom Haus Dettmer requires a $300 deposit to hold your puppy.  Once the deposit is received, a reservation contract will be sent. 

 If the litter is already born, ONE HALF of the puppy purchase price is required as a deposit to hold said puppy, if you have not been requested to 'wait' to send your deposit.  Most litters, we do not ask you to send in a deposit until the pups are confirmed.  

 Often times, I DO NOT even accept a deposit until pups are confirmed, as sometimes Mother Nature is not cooperative! 



How large are your Long Haired dogs?

             It varies.  At this time of writing, our dogs range from 70 lbs to 140 lbs.

            You can’t guarantee how much any pup will weigh full grown, and many breeders tell you their dogs are larger than they are anyway, so to compare is senseless!  

            At Vom Haus Dettmer we DO NOT breed our German Shepherds for size, nor is size the ‘only’ consideration for keeping dogs in our breeding program.  We like larger sized Long Haired German Shepherds, but we have dogs from small to oversized.  Since most of our dogs are large and do not meet standard for most registries, IF you are seeking to show your dog in conformation, you should look for another breeder!  Size and hair will for sure penalize you from the start!

 When folks contact us strictly about the size of our dogs, rarely will they get a response. 

 There are SO MANY other factors in a breeding program that are much more important that should be considered prior to size. 

 Most our dogs have level top lines, or straight backs, a couple with very slight angulation (not show angulation by any means), some tall and some short, depending on the lineage.   

 All our dogs have big bone structure, large heads, deep chests and large frames.   

 We like the Old Fashioned German Shepherds like my grandmother had; with a structure when Shepherds were built a little less ‘fragile’ and without the over-exaggerated American show-line angulation, solid and steady and tough enough to work!  Loyal, devoted, leary of strangers, but friendly when protection is not necessary!  

             We DO NOT “JUST” breed for OVERSIZE or simply LARGE German Shepherds. 

 We breed for TOTAL DOG! 

  If you are seeking a very large German Shepherd, we know of REPUTABLE breeders that we would suggest who have been breeding for years.  They OFA their dogs and they breed for large size, but with health and longevity a HUGE consideration.  NOT JUST SIZE AND COLOR OR COAT or the latest ‘flavor’ of the month!!  If size and coat are your only options, keep searching!  You’ll find it!


 

What Long Haired German Shepherd colors and coats do you have?

             We own black and red Long Coated German Shepherds;  black and silver Long Coated German Shepherds; bi-colored Long Coat German Shepherds, black and tan Long Coat German Shepherds, black and cream Long Coat German Shepherds, and black Long Coat German Shepherds.  These are our main breeding colors, to which we love and prefer.  We can produce sables if we want, or even an all black and maybe a white!

We have plush coats to very long coats. 

 We may have a short coat or two, as well. 

 Long hair is a fault in Conformation with the AKC, as is size with several of our dogs. 


 
Do you have certain feeding requirements if we buy a German Shepherd from you?

             We suggest that you feed your dog a certain ‘brand’ of dog food, and you MUST must feed a good, quality meat-based food.  Not too high in protein or fat.   This is critical for overall health and longevity.   Feeding less than a 'premium' dog food will jeopardize your dog's long-term health!  We currently feed Solid Gold, but 'approve' you to feed other premium brands.  Keep your receipts, it's REQUIRED to fulfill your contract!

              We also feed our dogs and puppies NuVet Wafers.   We require that all new puppy clients feed these wafers/supplements to their pups for the first two years, by ordering online with Nuvet (1-800-474-7044 (code 12076).  These are all natural human grade supplements used as a daily treat or to be mixed with the dog's kibble, that is formulated to maximize the longevity and quality of their life.  

                   Feeding is critical to good bone development and overall health.  A too fat of a puppy will put too much stress on growing legs and joints, thus a greater risk for bone issues.  

We don’t support free-feeding any dog, but also don’t support starving your young puppy!  If a dog gets plenty of good exercise and enough to eat, they will maintain a good weight.  Feeding your puppy three times a day until five months of age, and then twice a day thereafter should be fine for most pups.  Most pups should eat three to four cups of food per meal, or three -ish cups per meal eating until they leave a few pieces of kibble left in the dish.  

 We do feed one of the best foods on the market, also promoted and sold by the AKC – Solid Gold Pet Food!   

We ‘suggest’ a protein of never higher than 26 and a fat not higher than 14.  Protein at 24 and fat at 12 is better.   We prefer our new clients feed only Solid Gold food.  It's available in most places, however, if you can't find it, other premium foods are ...Flint River, California Naturals, Chicken Soup, Blue, Innova, or things of that nature.

We also grind our own raw chicken, bone and all, salmon and other canned veggies on a regular basis.  We feed daily supplements, as well as Vitamin C. 

            

 Check out this list of foods on our friend’s site at Royalair!

http://royalair.org/gooddogfood.htm

 


 
Do you offer short coat German Shepherds for sale?

             On occasion!

 



Where can I find a good dog trainer?

             Many of your local pet stores like Pet Smart, PetCo’s, etc. have puppy socialization classes in your area, and through advanced.  If this is ALL that is available, USE IT! 

             It’s best for the puppy to have some form of socialization of people, places and other dogs vs nothing at all. 

 You can have people come to your home, neighborhood kids and other ‘safe’ pets for play-dates if they are fully vaccinated.  However, your puppy STILL needs to go out and about. 

 You can call your local police department and ask them if they are aware of dog trainers in their area. 

 Check the internet for trainers in your region. 

 Ask local veterinarians. 

 Check with other breeders, even if it’s a large breed, but not a Long Haired German Shepherd breeder for training references or trainers.

 Go to a local dog show, talk to people who handle their dogs, they attend training classes too!  Look up dog handlers!

 Ask the local humane shelters, they are a good source for many dog-related activities and many have training programs themselves. 

 You may have to drive to the next ‘larger’ town, or hire a one-on-one trainer to come to your home. 

 Even if you don’t have the best of the best training programs, go and watch a training class and assess the program.  Enroll for the socialization.  MOST of the training is done at home anyway.  The ‘techniques’ are what is taught in class. 

 You need to have your pups/dogs exposed to the training environment and other people and dogs.  There are TONS of ways to socialize your dog, and you MUST do this.  

 You can take up a ‘sport’ such as agility, or herding, (age appropriate), or drive and sit outdoors at the bus stop each day to let your dog chat with the ‘kids’.  However you do it, training builds a greater bond between owner and dog.  It’s a MUST DO!

 



Do Long Coat German Shepherds like to travel?

             Absolutely!      

 Our dogs LOVE to ride in the car and go places with our family. 

 If you start your puppy out right, taking them for short trips when they are young (properly protected), you will have a traveling partner for life!  Soon, you will have a hard time putting on your shoes or getting your keys without your dog racing you to the door. 

Our dogs know the ‘routine’, run to the pasture and potty while momma gets out the car and back to hop into ‘their seat’.   

Most of our Long Haired German Shepherds begin going places at a very early age, from vet visits, to visits to friend’s homes, to family member’s houses, to play dates with other people.  We DO get out and about! 

 Since we DO want them to be well socialized (and YOU SHOULD) we do take them to other homes and allow them to ‘visit’ dog friendly people and experience overnight play dates so that when we HAVE to be away for extended hours of time we have someone who can care for them in a ‘home’ setting.  This is extremely important for our dogs who are always indoors.  Leaving them in a kennel would be more of a shock for them, as they are always around people and used to human interaction.  Being ignored at our house just doesn’t’ happen. 

 German Shepherds at Vom Haus Dettmer are born and bred to be ultimate companions and thrive on human interaction.  They are not bred and left outdoors to bond or be ignored with their dog ‘pack’ to keep them company!  They enjoy the great outdoors, but they enjoy their humans too and that includes traveling!                 

  



What if I live in a high-rise home or have a lot of steps to get into my house?  How can I make the steps safe for my Long Haired German Shepherd puppy?

             Puppies should not incur constant impact due to climbing up and down numerous steps for the first one to two years of life (bone development). 

              Long Coat German Shepherds are large breed dogs and will grow fast, be very heavy and it will be impossible for you to carry them much after four years of age.  You WILL have to devise a ramp or retrofit the steps so that they do not have to climb up and down so many ‘steps’!  This is the same for jumping in and out of a vehicle. 

            Any large breed dog should not have constant impact on their front legs from jumping, running, biking, agility, extreme impact sports, long, excessive walks, etc., things that will impact their fast growing joints, elbows (critical) and hips. 

            Here is a great picture of how a client made a ‘ramp’ for their back steps that their puppy uses from time-to time to take the impact off their legs from going up and down the steps!  Great job, Lucy!!

 

  



 

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